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Offline LostMakingChoice

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PureConnect or BrightPattern
« on: March 09, 2018, 03:27:14 AM »
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Hello,

I need help deciding between Genesis PureConnect, Avaya, and Bright Pattern. I am especially interested in comparing PureConnect and Bright Pattern.Can someone share with me their thoughts on how these two packages on:

- features
- easy of  deployment
- roadmap
- cost

Thank you very much for your help with this.

Offline cavagnaro

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Re: PureConnect or BrightPattern
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2018, 11:49:38 AM »
Wow...that is not how you do it...
You contact them and ask for a full set of presentation, you also have a document with your needs and see if they can do them and satisfy to your future plans on growing.
You are not buying a car or a toaster...

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Re: PureConnect or BrightPattern
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2018, 10:16:49 PM »
After running a few jobs with Bright and Genesys, here are my main points for Bright. Given that we all know Genesys, I am skipping countering them with Genesys featureset.

Here are my thoughts on why I found Bright attractive:

- Bright Patterns is started by former Genesys employees, including their CTOs and CEOs
- it is cheaper
- it comes with its own CRM and integrated with Salesforce
- it has default integration with majority of messaging platforms
- all of their administration tools are browser-based and have similar UX
- their philosophy:voice is a small part of the call center workflow thus their emphasis is much more non-voice related interactions. I find it relevant.
- their architecture is less T-server centric and less of a patchwork of acquired technologies
- they have QM as a default feature
- easy integration with Watson AI (important to us)
- robust

The more we looked into it, the more it felt as what Genesys needed to be in 21st century if they were not weighted down by Alcatel insanity and market confusion on PureConnect vs PureCloud. Plus, as an integrator, we feel that Genesys seems to be no longer interested in reselling through us but do direct deals with the clients leaving us the crumbs of some consulting, if any.


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Re: PureConnect or BrightPattern
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 05:52:44 AM »
I can share with you my points of view on Genesys and Bright Pattern and others as an SIer. Perhaps, it will help. It may not.

I was reading up on Bright Paterrn myself. It seems to be making quite a headway these days. Is it good enough to completely phaseout Genesys? Hard to tell. One thing for sure, I concur that PureCloud and PureConnect are making it very difficult for companies like ours to continue to invest into Genesys consulting. This is the reason why I am starting to find companies like Bright Pattern as a way to augment on the existing Genesys footprint. My strategy for a moment is to continue to focus on pushing Genesys in a legacy environment and instead of investing into Genesys anything above voice, fulfill the need with other solutions if I can.

Here is my reasoning for it:
Genesys is no longer selling through their Genesys reseller network and I see a lot of deals deals done directly between Genesys and end-user. Even existing Genesys user until now services by Genesys SIers like ours.  As a result, our role is downsized to providing some consulting and perhaps some integration with third parties. It pays for the job, but it does not give us room to continue to invest into Genesys education and/or development. On average it takes a year to get an employee up to speed on the product and without ability to source license and support, I find it critical to start supplementing the existing Genesys practice with third-party products.

Several people have pointed out that Genesys provides ways to develop on top of its platform. I agree that Genesys has some of the most wonderful and flexible ways for integration. I used to love to develop on top of Genesys! I started with their OCX toolset, developed on their GIS, ActiveX Desktop, forayed into Platform SDK and a myriad of other devtools. While I found it super engaging as a programmer, I also found that in majority of cases, the effort does not pay off. It may work for your when you are an independent consultant and bill per month; however, as an SIer it is less attractive.

The reasons are (at least for us):
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[li]It would require additional licenses, which would be more expensive than the contraption we were developing on top of it. [/li]
[li]After convincing the customer to place a PO, the licenses and maintenance would not be sourced through us[/li]
[li]Usually, anything that scales is usually detected by Genesys, and is release as a native feature in two years or so, making our addition obsolete[/li]
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So the answer to all of that was to think bigger, on a grander scale, and that usually involved building along Genesys and not on top.

Genesys is moving ahead with lightning speed, and there are companies that are capable of always being on top of everything. Genesys roadmap so far, is fraught with unannounced failures and poor judgment calls. Their detours into IPMX, Genesys 6.5, GVP, Genesys Express, OmniPCX, InfoMart/Hyperion are just the tip of the iceberg. And while for a $1B company it is expected, the lack of consistency is not for the faint of heart. Nor for SI firm that do not have deep pockets.

In my case, I like to learn new technologies; however, I like to do it at my pace. Genesys has a tendency to make people like us redundant if we do not continue to invest into their product no matter what.

Perhaps, Genesys marketplace will take off, and finally, Genesys development by the likes of the firms other than TCS, Accenture and TCS will pay off in a long run; however, this is not the first time that Genesys promised it. I shudder at where we would be if we did not branch out into Verint, Salesforce, SfB, Cisco and others. So I am uneasy to gamble on a hope alone when there is a huge world out there with companies clearly starting to make an impact in the market, and missing some of the most critical components that we have already learned to develop over and over again. Developing on top of Genesys maybe fun; however, I am seeing Bright Pattern and the likes as the platforms where we can leverage our existing knowhow and product offering.