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Siva Gowravaram

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Infomart 7.5 Issues
« on: January 28, 2008, 12:15:29 AM »
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone is involved in implementing Infomart 7.5 besides us. If so, i would like to discuss issues and possible work arounds which are mutually beneficial.

We have done reporting in Infomart 7.2 and didn't have a problem there. But, we are having some issues where ICON Data is not matching the Infomart Data and CCPulse data.

Please let me know. Much appreciate your time.

Thanks
Siva

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tony

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Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 09:55:41 AM »
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  • Hi Siva,

    We've not yet implemented Infomart but looking at 7.5.  Currently investigating (R&D) ICON, Infomart and the ETL processes.  Also have some idea of how to apply a Presentation and Reporting Layer for the Solution but would welcome any discussion on the subject.

    In this thread, for the benefit of everyone...?

    Tony

    Marco64

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 07:40:30 PM »
    [quote author=Siva Gowravaram link=topic=2750.msg10965#msg10965 date=1201479329]
    Hi,

    I was wondering if anyone is involved in implementing Infomart 7.5 besides us. If so, i would like to discuss issues and possible work arounds which are mutually beneficial.

    We have done reporting in Infomart 7.2 and didn't have a problem there. But, we are having some issues where ICON Data is not matching the Infomart Data and CCPulse data.

    Please let me know. Much appreciate your time.

    Thanks
    Siva
    [/quote]

    Hi

    Do you have a multi-tenant?

    Anyhow I have deployed an 7.2 ICON once. Think others or I could give a better help if you can at least tell us what the differences are. As well as the column definitions involved with this; that is the statistics, if filtered, if the metagroups are skilled based (VAG) or not (simple Agent Groups). 

    Marco

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 12:31:52 AM »
    Hey Tony/Siva,

    We'll be deploying ICON this year as well. Siva, can you offer some insights on the gotchas you're seeing or inaccuracies.

    Tony, did you want to socialize a bit on your infomart design so far.  I could use some inputs on the presentation layer as well.

    Additionally what do you say to the business who's asking you to build transfer type reports out of ICON.  I don't see that to be a very easy tasks and i'm not sure if it's technical feasible to be querying ICON.  Insights?

    tony

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 11:05:45 AM »
    Just some notes, off the top of my head...

    ICON

    As an ODS it contains every item of information I am currently looking for.  I can envisage Skills Based Reporting, First Call Resolution Reporting, Agent to Customer granular Reporting (OB), Customer to Agent granular Reporting (IB), etc. etc. etc....

    With the right application and aggregation of data consolidation between the various Tables, it could be quite straightforwards to extract what you need and to create a Data Mart.  It seems as though it would be easy to reference unique identifiers between the Table structure and "see" the end-to-end contructs of a customers call.  (That is, assuming you have GVP - which we do not(!))

    With regard to deployment, I'm still thinking about how to do this...  We have both Network and Premise TServers, MCR IServers and OC Servers - the (unique identifier) data flow between them is usually disparate, at the best of times - I've yet to try to converge Network with Premise data from ICON however, with a ParentConnID, etc. that should not prove to be too difficult...

    The addition of custom data seems a little sticky; to have to update an .xml file with your requirements (by plotting what is essentially KVP's) and then referencing them from within the individual ICON Application(s) in CME seems a curious way to apply changes.

    INFOMART

    The fun begins...!

    ETL for Infomart is good.  It does what it says on the tin - and quickly, apparently.

    I'm not sure what the thought process was to break out multiple versions of the aggregate data from what is essentially the same data source...  Consider; the Agent Aggregate "View" (which does not contain customer interaction information) a Customer Aggregate "View" (which does not contain Agent information), an Interaction Aggregate "View" (which contains bits and pieces...)  I'm sure the developers meant well when creating these Aggregate Views but I have found it frustrating that an item of data (such as a custom item of data) resides in one "View" but not in another.

    Moving away from the Aggregated "Views", you [i]can [/i] access the unaggregated data in a much more raw form.  I understand the rationale for exposing data at this level better than I do the "Views" - but not as well as I can see, feel and understand the data structure provided in ICON ODS(!)

    Yes, there is more to come in this space; apparently we could be looking at a secondary data consolidation, at Infomart level, to provide us with yet another Layer (Presentation) which can be "more easily understood and referenced by various Business Reporting Tools".  At the same time, we'll be provided with a Reporting Interface...

    My primary concern now is; do we build our own "Views", Presentation and Reporting Layers to enable us to move forwards?  On the understanding that these items/layers will not be supported by Genesys... Or do we wait and see what the Genesys offering is going to be?  Obviously, whatever Genesys provide will no doubt be version controlled and future-proof, whereas anything we build in the interim will be "out of sync" with later Schemas of both ICON and Infomart - unless you extract what you need and place it in an easily referenced Schema of your own (and hope that the data Fields you  have included don't change too much...!)

    I'd welcome any comments to this, also...

    Tony



    Siva Gowravaram

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 08:17:15 PM »
    We have worked on both Infomart 7.2 and 7.5 using Crystal Reports and Microsoft 2005 Reporting Services. (Worked on 7.5 even before GA)

    Basically we had to build lot of custom tables and views on top of the Infomart Star Schema which is complex it self.

    It was a good experience on 7.2 and the customers are happy with the reporting. Business Objects Data Integrator ETL is fine in 7.2 but not there in 7.5

    With Infomart 7.5 the ETL is custom Java based process and it fails for every single exception and race condition. THe ICON gets info from Config Server and if the connection breaks there is a mismatch of data generating an exception which screws up the whole ETL process.

    More later.
    Siva

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 09:32:04 PM »
    Yikes sounds like a nightmare Siva.  I've played around with 7.5 and like it much better in terms of deployment procedure (bypassing BO's integrator) than 7.2.  The thing i'm not sold on yet is the performance, I'm hoping 7.5 can deliver at least near intraday reports?

    The ICON configuration is where I'm going to have to think hard about since we have multimedia as well. 

    "THe ICON gets info from Config Server and if the connection breaks there is a mismatch of data generating an exception which screws up the whole ETL process." 

    I'm wondering if you're getting this because your ICON is not populated with configserver data the first time around. 

    Tony, the presentation layer is where I'm a little confused on too with regards to the 'right' approach.  I'm thinking our own BI team may have to build a business view layer on top of say interaction_segment_fact, voice_segment_fact_ext, etc. to derive their reports.  Then if there are any issues then we would just work with Genesys on their own data model layer.

    With that being said, I know they're coming out with standard type of reports for infomart, but you know how Genesys's standard OOB reports are like from CCA.  ;D

    Eugene

    tony

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2008, 09:58:56 AM »
    I am hoping that the Report Generation Assistant (RGA) mindset and template report makes a re-appearance, under Infomart... Build your own Report Templates using the RGA was fairly straightforwards and it did work...

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    Re: Infomart 7.5 Issues
    « Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 09:38:21 PM »
    Well, we have been using the beta ETL process, which was developed prior to Infomart and what Infomart turned into, for quite some time. I imagine Infomart still uses the original concepts developed for CallCon 7.0, but I have not been able to verify it technically speaking, as I have not installed Infomart yet.

    The only problems we have ran into with it, is the syncing of data between config server and of course, the whole daylight saving java bug. Occasionally the process will crash because it got some data it didn't know what to do with, but we immediately get an alert from SCI and it just picks up where it left off, no data loss as it’s only aggregating existing data.