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Offline victor

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GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« on: October 29, 2007, 07:40:15 AM »
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Hi, everybody!

I have a very simple question - what is the difference between using GVP as opposed to URS+SM with SIP T-Server?
It seems to be that all of the basic functionality is already there with SM so I am not sure why someone would want to use GVP except for maybe TTS and ASR.
Any thoughts and experiences? :)

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Best regards,
Vic

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 08:09:19 AM »
The fact to interact with web portals and get info more dinamic or allowing the users to personalize the script for them...maybe?

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 08:00:21 PM »
Hi,

One thing that comes to my mind is automatic outbound campaigns - doing it with only urs+sm would require some trick to foul ocs that there are some free ports.  All other things except for ASR can be done with SM - even TTS with some effort can be implemented with urs+sm :). Also with GVP we can do some bargin transfers which cannot be completed with urs. In small installations ( ivr with less that 3 leveles of menus ) I prefer to use SM.

Paul

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2007, 10:13:27 PM »
Hi Vic,

I do agree with Paul. URS+SM is ok for small IVRs but if your customer is thinking about self-service, integration with back-end systems, ASR + TTS etc. then GVP is the right way. It becomes more clear as soon as you have to deploy second/third site and the customer wants central deployment and management of voice (IVR) applications. I'm sure there is a way how to do it with URS+SM but it's much easier with GVP.

René

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 03:31:01 PM »
Hi, guys,

it has been two years since I have asked this question and based on my experience so far, here is how I see it when it comes to GVP 7.6

[u]GVP is Unstable[/u]
Yes, a lot of work has been put into it in recent years, and it is better than nothing or previous Genesys attempts. I, nevertheless, have to tell you that customer is not getting the value he/she paid for it when they get GVP: they might as well go with pretty much every other major product and have exactly the same thing and probably much more stable. GVP's lack of serious redundancy right away makes it stand out in otherwise very rounded and thought out environment.  Its dependence on third-party products reminds me of ICS when you needed Hipbone to run it: how many times did you have service fail because "watchdog is down" error?

[u]GVP is Not Part of Genesys CTI[/u]
Yes, you heard me right. Everything from GUI (is it what we call) to its log format remind me of a something like Virtual Hold a few years back (I have not touched it lately). A rushedly put together product by people with no background in Genesys. For example, Genesys has a history of spanning user interfaces through out the products, and failure to use IRD for GVP-related flows is inexcusable. Lack of tight integration with any other Genesys product, inability to draw on the learning curve of other Genesys application and failure to virtualize basic logic flows inherent to any workflow engine is disturbing. By ignoring to standardize and virtualize the logic and basic GVP workflows, this product fails to allow existing Genesys users to rely on their programming experience with URS. Let's not forget usability: have you tried to modify logic, you know that you are only being able to do it by launching what seems to be very simple MFC-based NOTEPAD from within Script Editor. And god forbid you want to do it by modifying the underlying .jsp pages directly - GVP will ignore it. What is the point of creating a .jsp file if modifying it on the fly is not supported?

[u]GVP fails to fit into Genesys SIP Architecture[/u]
I know many of you will disagree on this one, but I really do not see GVP as a viable option when it comes to Genesys SIP. Genesys SIP already includes URS and Stream Manager by default. Both of them have redundancy, support load sharing, and have a very nice interface: IRD. This interface has been improved on generations of products and tens of thousands of Genesys users are familiar with it. We are talking about both VARs as well as end-users. When we are talking workflows, IRD has a great way to visualize it, make it presentable. And, after spending thousands of hours training Genesys SIers and end-users on how to use it, how much sense does it make to teach them how to program in ASP or JSP? I for one would rather implement everything in URS+SM, and if there is some reason to interface it with ASR or TTS or some other third-party product, would either use DB or CustomServer to accomplish this. Of course, we are talking about me here.

Overall, at the end of the day, I am honestly disappointed with the product. Yes, 8.1 looks great, and yes, it seems to be going in the right direction, but once again, I wonder why there are overlapping products where one has a long and succesful track record, ability to integrate with other products and user recognition and other one very similar to Asterisks, and Genesys is touting Asterisk one. It is counterproductive, cost-ineffective and down-right dangerous.

At least this what I think. After both selling and supporting GVP. If Genesys wants SIP to succeed they should concentrate their efforts on figuring out how remove Genesys SIP dependence on third-party VoIP GWs and not herd users toward learning how to program in JSP.


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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 12:16:55 PM »
GVP 7.6 is unstable?
This is scary for me since I'm heading that direction right now.
I wonder how others feel about stability?

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 06:05:54 PM »
Hum, I have one 7.6 working like 4 months and never has suffered a system failure...what is your scenario Vic?

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 03:32:54 AM »
We use IRD / URS for almost everything, including self service systems and external integration.  The only implementation where we don't use URS is Speech Recognition, for this we generally farm the work out to another company and let them support it.

I have never come across a customer request that I have not been able to achieve using URS.

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Re: GVP vs URS+SM when using with SIP T-Server
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 07:43:21 AM »
Hi, regarding how stability issue, I think it is all relative. When compared to the latest URS/TS version or to already existing IVR solutions out there, I think that GVP still has a way to go in terms of stability.