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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« on: June 11, 2008, 11:52:26 AM »
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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 02:24:44 AM »
Hi, Tony,

I get on average 3 requests now per week from this agency or that to advertise either a job opening or a product that they have designed to work with Genesys. We need to decide, and fast, what exactly we want to do with all of this.

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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 05:07:33 AM »
Pay for publicity...

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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 10:30:32 AM »
Well, I kind of understand them, but most of the time, they are head hunters. I let some posts before go through, and it was close to embarrassing, so I decided to stop.

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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 11:45:32 AM »
I think there is some merit in knowing what might be available out there - but only for those who chose to subscribe to those types of solicitations.  I'm not sure we can even do "subscriptions and notification" on an smf board, so it may not even be a consideration but...

If it is at all possible, invite Forum Users to subscribe to Job Opportunities and/or Vendor Offerings and lump all of those offerings in a separate sub-Board.  I mean, the sub-Board exists ([i]Job Offerings[/i]) but I'm not sure the functionality does...?  Those who want to, can subscribe to see/view the board and for others, who do not subscribe, it remains hidden...?

All conjecture, since I don't know if it is feasible - but worth a thought, or two?

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 02:33:37 AM »
Hi, Tony,

I think this is an excellent idea. To build upon this, I think we should have a two-tier system for primary employers and then the other kind, recruiters. Since usually it is the latter kind that is causing all the problems right now, I think we should have a clear policy on how to handle them. Right now, the policy is very straight-forward: we do not.

If we are to allow them to post job-ads (and we will probably have at least five of them a week, and most of them would be for the same job, I fear), we need cut-in-stone sort of rules, that would provide the benefit we think there is to a community while keeping the soliciting and mongering to the minimum.

I would think about registering all the recruiters who want to solicit, and then allow them to post in a dedicate board. For every recruiter, there should be a description. There should also be an evaluation system that would allow Genesys community to evaluate these recruiters. While all of these is all swell, it seems to be that unlike end-user employers, most of the recruiters would be unwilling to disclose their opportunities other than "major ISP in London area", requiring all of people who are interested to further follow up with them. So, at the end of the day, you would have Genesys community contacting them directly, without the need for the forum.  Since this seems to be the way things are done right now, so the whole purpose of having recruiters advertising "opportunities" on the forum once again becomes murky. Because, people who want to contact recruiters are already doing this on their own, we would be just building recruiters' own contact base, without any clear advantage for the community in general.



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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 06:01:19 PM »
Did I get this right? I think you said yes but - no - then... yes - but no...?  ::)

I'm sure it is just as well to leave it alone... :)

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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2008, 09:05:27 AM »
Hi, Tony,

yes, you got this very right!  I think you are now suited to deal with Japanese companies  ::)

Seriously, though, I think the idea is very good (your interpretation of it), and implementation is possible, but the result would be less than illustrious.

Just think about what sort of people you would be dealing with, where all of their living depends on finding the right person for the job. Think about frustration, manipulation and most importantly, accusation that we would have to deal with. It is like King Lear only in the language we can understand! :)

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Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 11:59:35 AM »
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  • Understood - best to give it a "miss", for now....

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    Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 01:23:05 AM »
    Hi, Tony,

    glad that you agree. Just a day ago I had some annoying German guy that was unhappy that I have removed his, are you ready for this, all-German post looking for telecom professionals. I really think it is just not worth it. In most cases, it is people like this who spoil the image of the hard-working recruiters I have have met so far.

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    Vic

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    Re: Genesys Experts with nortel symposium Required
    « Reply #10 on: July 11, 2008, 11:07:54 AM »
    Ich verstehe - du hast etwas gegen Deutschen... ;)

    Alles klar! :)